"I don't get it so it's bad"

Merve2Love said:
I can see your points^^

But why is it that the average Anime-Fan expressing his difficulties about following the Story doesn't count as valid criticism in your eyes?^^

I do get it. I do feel like this is something special. It's pretty creative, well written and conveys interesting messages.

But it IS hard to follow sometimes. Im not a genius, sure, but Im not an Idiot either and Im having trouble understanding what's happening, sometimes.

I think it's not even the more unique Stlye or the Writing, you mentioned.
It's the hard cut's, the jumps from one Scene to the other that makes you feel like you missed something that happened off-screen. For me at least.

Just saying: You're kinda right. But there's gotta be something in between "Just turn your brain off" -Anime and Sonny Boy, right?

Don't think there's a need to call anyone a "degenerate" over prefering bit more easy to get into Show's^^

Merve2Love said:
It's just this one paragraph that gives off the vibe that people who enjoy the kind of Show's you mention don't like much thinking and are therefore as degenerate as the Entertainment they're consuming. You pretty much said it this way^^ But Im glad you didn't mean it.

Although you saying people don't have the "consciousness" to watch certain Show's makes me feel really uncomfortable.

I feel you, as I said. But I fundamentally disagree with dismissing people's opinion's as "crying" or "just not getting it"

If the Anime makes it hard to follow it's Storyline then that IS vital and valid criticism, even if you'd be right in saying that people therefore judging it as "bad" is wrong.

I think you're taking this a bit to serious. Enjoy it. People don't get it? Fine. You like, tho. :)

Does it really concern you that much? I think the Show is doing good for itself. People won't dismiss it as a bad Anime. It got pretty high ratings already.

Spirit_Chaser said:
I love Sonny Boy and consider it anime of the season, but one thing it has done is given me less of a patience and more of a dislike for people in general who watch anime. Those who have bothered to watch anime through a historical perspective and seen those treasured series that have made names for themselves for taking risks and pushing the medium regardless of the consequences (bad sales, etc) can understand that Sonny Boy is a breath of fresh and one of the few series in a long time that has been actually great since Odd Taxi. Those who hardly watch anime or watch those degenerate series that have nothing to offer wouldn't understand.

In websites such as this that are majorly western tastes and obvious by what's rated high here, It's clear that most people like stories that are spoon-fed to them that don't require them to think, because who likes thinking nowadays? Look at what is popular now in the mainstream and it's usually degenerate and "turn your brain off" type of entertainment. Bad writing is overlooked for pretty and cute things, bait fan service, and other meaningless trash. Now if you like those things, that's you.

It feels like when people talk bad about this series, even Youtubers, it's irritating that there is no constructive criticism. All there is frustration in not getting it and that alone making it bad. There are so many series since the beginning that are considered either cult or masterpiece pieces of gold that today would all fall under the same yardstick by the average viewer. Look at when Ping Pong the Animation came out. It was ignored in the beginning despite its greatness. Honestly, it takes just a little thought to try and understand what is going on here for the most part and the meaningful messages this series tries to send out.

Those who hardly watch anime or watch those degenerate series that have nothing to offer wouldn't understand.

It's clear that most people like stories that are spoon-fed to them that don't require them to think, because who likes thinking nowadays? Look at what is popular now in the mainstream and it's usually degenerate and "turn your brain off" type of entertainment. Bad writing is overlooked for pretty and cute things, bait fan service, and other meaningless trash. Now if you like those things, that's you.

Samt_ said:
lol, comparing Odd Taxi and Ping Pong to this incoherent, pretentious, and badly written garbage with flat characters.


While it's true that the anime community has some pretty trashy standards, neither you nor this show are as smart as you think either.

ToraiS said:

Anime tastes are ultimately subjective, but I think calling something pretentious and then incoherent is paradoxical. Because how can you evaluate something as pretentious when cannot understand it?

Samt_ said:

They're not mutually exclusive terms. There are works that pretend to have a deep or profound meaning to them, when in reality they're just throwing around a bunch of incoherent nonsense, hoping that people will use their imagination to fill in for the writer and think that they "get" it.
Like this show, hence pretentious.

Asakaze's "character development" is an absolute joke

ToraiS said:
The definition of "pretentious" in Oxford: "attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed." It's either a bunch of incoherent nonsense, or a pretentious piece of work. Because saying its pretentious means that you understood what its saying in the first place. Even with novice "pretentious" writers have something to say.

And your spoiler just proved what the OP said, sad. Not understanding what its saying doesn't make it objectively bad.

Samt_ said:

And I'm sure you and OP can enlighten the lesser folk who just don't "understand" this masterpiece, surely you can do so with your 500iq, lol.

The only remotely meaningful thing that I got from this show is "Society tends to exclude and punish those it that don't conform to the norm" and that was in the early episodes before the anime went way too deep into its own ass.

ToraiS said:

You haven't disproved my point or OP's, nor have I mentioned something about the show's or anyone's intelligence. The show doesn't really need that much intelligence, it merely asks for people's attention. But sure, be insecure I guess. You do you; have a nice day.

Samt_ said:

And, as I expected, you haven't explained what people are "not understanding" and not paying attention to here, because you can't.
So you haven't disapproved anything I said either, bye.

NezukoMikasa said:
Ok, if you are done talking down to the people that dislike this anime, let me remind you that people have different tastes. Personally, I hate this anime. It’s not because I only like “turn your brain off” shows, but because the content it is presenting the audience is all reused cliches from literary classics and is presented in a very episodic manner. The characters are also very underdeveloped and give me little to no reason to care about what happens to them. Also, I personally just don’t like the art style. It feels a lot like a painting, especially with the terribly dull and rigid animations. Also, there is no soundtrack that plays in the background, which would help make the show a lot more watchable in its slower parts (even though most of the show is incredibly slow).

NextUniverse said:
I don't know what world you live in, all I see is people enjoying this series. In fact, the 4/10 review used to be the highest review but was then swamped by 2 higher scored reviews.

If anything, the acclamation tells me that there is this idea that people have come together to fight against the evil forces that only exist in oneself. It's ironic tbh.

Sonny Boy is a warped show though, it's good I think, but I wouldn't call it deep enough for it to be on the likes as the examples you have provided. People probably don't like this anime for very simple reasons, and it isn't "I don't understand it"

ToraiS said:

Lol. So I should answer a rhetorical question in order to prove, which is ultimately subjective, why this show is good? Yeah, no. I can put hours as to why this show is good, and you can easily say that's bullshit. Why waste my time?

Samt_ said:

While it's true that the anime community has some pretty trashy standards, neither you nor this show are as smart as you think either.

ToraiS said:
The definition of "pretentious" in Oxford: "attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed." It's either a bunch of incoherent nonsense, or a pretentious piece of work. Because saying its pretentious means that you understood what its saying in the first place. Even with novice "pretentious" writers have something to say.

ToraiS said:

And your spoiler just proved what the OP said, sad. Not understanding what its saying doesn't make it objectively bad.

NextUniverse said:
I don't know what world you live in, all I see is people enjoying this series. In fact, the 4/10 review used to be the highest review but was then swamped by 2 higher scored reviews.

If anything, the acclamation tells me that there is this idea that people have come together to fight against the evil forces that only exist in oneself. It's ironic tbh.

Sonny Boy is a warped show though, it's good I think, but I wouldn't call it deep enough for it to be on the likes as the examples you have provided. People probably don't like this anime for very simple reasons, and it isn't "I don't understand it"

Kimurah said:


Ever heard of Han Christian Andersen's The Emperor's New Cloth story? This show and it's hardcore fandom is exactly that, believing that only those that aren't complete idiots can see the magnificence of the new light clothes of the emperor, the rest of the idiots will not be able to see it and thus will just see an Emperor running around in underclothes. A piece of work doesn't need to make any sense in order to be labeled as pretentious, all it needs is a herd to believe there are actual clothes on a half naked emperor and belittle everyone else that does not believe this ridiculous fallacy.



If I had a dollar for every time fans used this lousy defense since the days of NGE, I would be rich by now. The problem lies in a hollow husk with pretentious symbolism that goes nowhere and it barely reflects anything substancial from the series. It's like a Rorschach test, a blotch of ink that holds no meaning but people will try to find a figure or a pattern and it will greatly vary depending on the individual's psyche.

Lostintour said:
I'm tired arguing with sonny boy fans, can we just put our money in a legit website and bet that money, that sonny boy can be anime of the season or not in any legit website who do the poll.

Whayle said:
It's a great show, obviously it will bring pretentious people who, ironically, will call the show pretentious because they have trouble understanding unusual storytelling. It's always the same thing with those kind of shows, but they always end up being the most interesting and memorable ones.

ToraiS said:

You bring up the Emperor's New Clothes, but it does not really prove your point as to why you can say that something is pretentious without understanding it. In the story, it is explicitly outlined that the people who can't see the cloth are stupid. It is also announced, to the crowd too. We can say that yeah, "the Emperor's pretentious because he doesn't want to seem stupid". If we replace it with an emperor that's running around naked seemingly with a reason that is hidden, and a majority of people had reached a common conclusion, then your analogy is suffice. Now, it's something you can't understand, then how can you call it pretentious? The emperor does not explicitly say why he's running around naked. If he says it's a performance art, then you have the right to say it's pretentious. Also, saying "I understood sonny boy and its pretentious" has more argumentative substance than "it's nonsense and pretentious". But that would give the anime credit, would it? lol.

Haven't seen NGE but despite its imagery, isn't it a very successful series that redefined the Mecha anime genre, sent waves and influenced many other anime, inspiring the deconstruction genre, and has been a very iconic series for decades years now? I refuse to watch NGE but objectively speaking its accolades are nothing to scoff at, despite you saying its imagery is ultimately hollow and me refusing to watch it.

Kimurah said:


You are just paraphrasing nonsense in order to try and weasel out with a PRETENTIOUS talk about nothing. See, your rant about nothing is exactly what the word pretentious stands for.

The whole tale of the Emperor's clothes is about both an emperor and it's plebeyans that believe in the bullshit of two swindlers selling nothing but a a bundle of air and calling it a magical cloth that only fools cannot see it, hence why the emperor and it's subdits at the cost of being called fools believe the BS and PRETENTIOUS hoax story of the swindlers. It takes an innocent boy that's not influenced by the emperor's power or the shep herd mentality of the subdits to believe everything in order not to defy their master to make all the people see they have been taken for a fool. As you can see, a piece of media does not need to be self explanatory in order to be pretentious AKA the invisible clothes, all you need is a herd of people believing the bullshit and calling it real.

Also, your example of NGE and you not having seen it it's the exact same example of the emperor's clothes, you're using the vox populli as actual evidence and call it "objectively" good as precursor of several subjects and genres, not to mention you pulled out the most pretentious subject of them all the "DECONSTRUCTION" one, without having it experienced it on your own and know what the show is about or how all it's symbolism is just a hoax or maybe it's does hold up it's value using some convoluted theories that ties everything (the rorschach tests as I mentioned). It's ridiculous how easily you believe what other fans have claimed (wich plenty are just blatant lies such as the insipiration to other shows when NGE already took inspiration from other shows like Gundam, Ideon, Mazinger Z, Ultraman and many others) yet you keep claiming that pretentious shows like Sonny Boy that it's mostly eye candy for shock value on the actual story, is substancial.

Your convoluted rant is equal to the rant of the swindler taylors trying to BS their way to sell a bunch of nothing.

ToraiS said:
If you offer an analogy as an argument, then you must expect a disanalogy as a counterargument. That's what I did, and so far, you still haven't have an argument as to why you can say something is pretentious without understanding it. You're only recounting the story which, back in my previous response, I said it's an inaccurate analogy because the reason why the emperor is pretentious is already outlined rather than being obscure. And responding to you in a reasonable way means that I'm pretentious? Seems pretentious, ironically enough.

Your convoluted rant is equal to the rant of the swindler tailors trying to BS their way to sell a bunch of nothing.

Pot calling the kettle black, I guess.

As the other guy up above said, "obviously it will bring pretentious people who, ironically, will call the show pretentious because they have trouble understanding unusual storytelling."

And man, I don't even like NGE but you're nuts to think that the anime hasn't made waves ever since it aired other than it being popular.

Kimurah said:


See how you're just bullshitting for the sake of bullshiting and ignoring my actual point claiming and ignoring that I didn't prove that a pretentious piece of work doesn't need to be understood in order to be called pretentious but historically speaking both the Emperor's new clothes tale and also using the actual divided fanbase of NGE that claimed that it was all connected and the other half that claimed that it was just random imagery all stick together for flashyness.

Now I'm confused, you said that you never watched Evangelion, but now you're saying that you don't like Evangelion. In order to dislike something you must have tried it at least once. See how you can be prententious without knowing if it's good or bad but you're just paraphrasing what others have said and use it as gospel without having your very own opinion to stick to one side or the other. That is peak pretention.

And no, I didn't say NGE didn't create waves, it certainly did in some way, but it also took a lot of concepts already used by other shows and made it more popular, like the kid forced to pilot his dad's mech (Gundam) Big fights in huge cities by robots & monters (Mazinger & Ultraman).

It's your move if you want to actually prove me wrong with actual evidence rather than just paraphrasing like a sleazy lawyer trying to BS your way in court with nothing but a strawman.

Spirit_Chaser said:
I love Sonny Boy and consider it anime of the season, but one thing it has done is given me less of a patience and more of a dislike for people in general who watch anime. Those who have bothered to watch anime through a historical perspective and seen those treasured series that have made names for themselves for taking risks and pushing the medium regardless of the consequences (bad sales, etc) can understand that Sonny Boy is a breath of fresh and one of the few series in a long time that has been actually great since Odd Taxi. Those who hardly watch anime or watch those degenerate series that have nothing to offer wouldn't understand.

In websites such as this that are majorly western tastes and obvious by what's rated high here, It's clear that most people like stories that are spoon-fed to them that don't require them to think, because who likes thinking nowadays? Look at what is popular now in the mainstream and it's usually degenerate and "turn your brain off" type of entertainment. Bad writing is overlooked for pretty and cute things, bait fan service, and other meaningless trash. Now if you like those things, that's you.

It feels like when people talk bad about this series, even Youtubers, it's irritating that there is no constructive criticism. All there is frustration in not getting it and that alone making it bad. There are so many series since the beginning that are considered either cult or masterpiece pieces of gold that today would all fall under the same yardstick by the average viewer. Look at when Ping Pong the Animation came out. It was ignored in the beginning despite its greatness. Honestly, it takes just a little thought to try and understand what is going on here for the most part and the meaningful messages this series tries to send out.

Whayle said:
It's a great show, obviously it will bring pretentious people who, ironically, will call the show pretentious because they have trouble understanding unusual storytelling. It's always the same thing with those kind of shows, but they always end up being the most interesting and memorable ones.

Gween_Gween said:
hahaha i hope that this is bait to be honest

NezukoMikasa said:
Ok, if you are done talking down to the people that dislike this anime, let me remind you that people have different tastes. Personally, I hate this anime. It’s not because I only like “turn your brain off” shows, but because the content it is presenting the audience is all reused cliches from literary classics and is presented in a very episodic manner. The characters are also very underdeveloped and give me little to no reason to care about what happens to them. Also, I personally just don’t like the art style. It feels a lot like a painting, especially with the terribly dull and rigid animations. Also, there is no soundtrack that plays in the background, which would help make the show a lot more watchable in its slower parts (even though most of the show is incredibly slow).

Thigh_Tide said:
I haven't seen Sonny Boy and don't care to, but it seems that it could just as easily, if not more likely, be the show actually being nonsense and you only thinking you've "got" it.

Reelens said:


It is actual nonsense, it's just also entirely possible to understand. Maybe don't weigh in on a topic you have no interest in delving into.

YueNaDe said:


What's the story?

NezukoMikasa said:
Ok, if you are done talking down to the people that dislike this anime, let me remind you that people have different tastes. Personally, I hate this anime. It’s not because I only like “turn your brain off” shows, but because the content it is presenting the audience is all reused cliches from literary classics and is presented in a very episodic manner. The characters are also very underdeveloped and give me little to no reason to care about what happens to them. Also, I personally just don’t like the art style. It feels a lot like a painting, especially with the terribly dull and rigid animations. Also, there is no soundtrack that plays in the background, which would help make the show a lot more watchable in its slower parts (even though most of the show is incredibly slow).

Whayle said:


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This conflict leads them to discover that this world has its own set of rules—and following them is necessary for survival. After one of the students decides to take a leap of faith, the school switches dimensions once again. While they deal with the unique challenges and circumstances that each world presents, the students must unravel the mysterious phenomenon and find a way back home.