Shinichi-Kun said: Soft abu defence?LucianRoy said: Vote: AbuHumaid Why are you sheeping me? Expecting I was going to pick up where I left off? Not really a sheep lol he did start off the phase by voting first, and salmon was also the hot topic of the last phase so it should not be considered strange. That vote was most definetly a sheep. He gave zero reasoning of why he agreed with it, what he thought was strange, other alternatives. He just said NOTHING noteworthy and then voted the person that had the biggest train D1. If that's not sheeping then i don't know what is. |
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| It was explained like a dozen of times already........ Are you even paying attention? Man the amount of irritation i get from you is overly similar to your past scum game. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Because last day we only had some hours left. Now we have an entire new day phase again so just instantly locking the votes on salmon is pretty much the most wastefull way we can spend this time.It's not a defense of abu tho, I just thought the vote made sense. I mean last phase it seemed people just wanted a lynch so why now are you questioning that vote. Ill go pull some posts out of the thread. |
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| Replying to @LucianRoy from #462 Well, yeah, it was D1, and my reasons for voting you were pretty solid imo. If you're town, who was the scum on your train? I'd be more inclined to point at ironace, their vote at #370 was pretty weak. Easily being manipulated >.> though I'd want to look more into Abu this phase. Will make an iso on him. But you didn't townread me in 354. You list a bunch of reasons why you thought I could be scum, one reason why you thought I could be town, and then say you're considering voting me. How is that a townread on me? Let me correct the last part of your statement. I said I was considering (as in the past continuous tense) I tell a narrative in 354. The posts I refer to in the first para are prior to the posts i talk about in the second. I guess my mistake would be that I should've been less lazy and elaborated on the towny posts just as much. |
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Gwendolly said: soooooooo.....I'm just gonna place this here vote: aa-dono You said you'll type 9 pages? Can't wait to see @Red_Salmon aside from your defence, what do you think of the current situation? @ironace where you at? Didnt you wanna poke salmon and shinichi? I'll be doing an ISO on Abu. I suspect he might be lazy town more than I suspect him to be scummy. But a reread of his posts will certainly make me decide to vote him or not. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Red_Salmon said: I unvote at #144. Wasn't sure if I had earlier so unvoted again instead of finding the vote and notifying grapefruit. Maybe Abu, maybe togs, maybe dono. Who knows. Can't be sure if they're scum unless they post right? I wanted to vote him at first, yes! My reasoning was that he might be power-wolfing. Suddenly changing focus from himself to lastwhisper once he saw a train forming on him. As for the 'flip flop' -iness; must I stick to my original reads and never change them at all? Will that make me more town? I would've defended EOD if I saw Lucian's case on me to be strong. But it wasn't. I was surprised he managed to effectively develop a whole mob Hmm even if that was a hosts mistake if I am held accountable for my forgetfulness even you should be. On day 1 its hard to form a powerful case, if this was a normal setup you would have been lynched. Also it depends on the flip flop, if you read someone as town but then scum read them in the next post people are gonna start asking questions. Sure its possible they're scum but 2 of them are known to lurk and the other said she might not be able to make the post count. There was no sudden change in opinion from 354 to 361. If you look at the posts from a neutral stand point you'll see it. It's not like I said "Lucian is def scum" in 354 and said "Lucian, my friend, is def town" in 361. As I explained in 554, the former of the two posts tells a narrative. |
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lastwhisper31 said: You followed up on the bolded with "two very good points of lucianroy" so it was clear enough that he was the one that said those 2 things.So I'm not gunna change the post cause that's frowned upon. So I'll clarify that in post #463, the bolded statement, which was also quoted by Gwen was not written by me it was written by Lucian, and I was providing my 2¢ on it. |
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| Replying to @aa-dono from #543 Gewndelly asked me the same question and I answered him, but I cant seem to find it rn. I called them pro-town for the same reasons, they both helped get the game out of the RVS stage. They were pushing the game forward early on. Their general activity and vigor to find scum gave me town-vibes from them. Edit: found the post. its 178 |
Red_SalmonJul 30, 2017 4:23 AM
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Zymf said: Imho soft claims like those are scummy.LucianRoy said: If I may add to it as well? I find it slightly scummy, as it would appear he might be breadcrumbing for a later fakeclaim. If he was VT, why did he think his claim would be enough to clear him? If he was actual town PR, why would he put himself on the stand like that with noting to gain?@Gwendolly, Last seems really intent on proving themselves town in this post by claiming pre-emptively. What do you make of it? Possible scenarios: You are actually a PR: Town won't be able to clear you because they can't counterclaim, you will put a marker on your back for scum anyway. You are VT: 2 possibilities here, 1 of which is good. You survive lynch and you get shot by mafia, meaning you eat scum night actions for the team. Or, you are forced to claim specifically, you either tell that you were lying and most likely get lynched or you claim specifically and risk getting counterclaimed, which ends up in us outing a PR and you getting lynched for fake-claiming. Last: You are scum that wants to avoid the lynch by soft claiming so as to not risk getting counterclaimed. For town in close to all cases it's bad... |
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LucianRoy said: Why this vote change? I don't like it.Zymf said: Quick reads list based on D1: Town: Gwendolly and Red_Salmon Good feeling: Shinichi-kun, wen294 Neutral: LucianRoy, lastwhisper31 Scum: AlbertinoDias, Haven't paid attention to (null): aa-dono, ironace, Togs, AbuHumaid, Sleipnirr, The_Pyromaani Ahh yes, the classic neutral read on me. After you analyzed so many of my posts. --- Believe it or not, I'm still ok with lynching Salmon. Vote: Red Salmon Your Abu vote sparked some discussion, then you got some opposition and you changed your vote back to salmon... It's like your abu vote didn't work out as intended so you go back to safe back-up train. Just spending this day phase sitting on salmon votes isn't gonna do a whole lot for us in terms of information gathering during the day. |
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LucianRoy said: Can't say i like your confidence though.Zymf said: Wait what? Did you just tell Shinichi which of your own interactions he should look more into, in order to sort you. Isn't that quite unorthodox? Shouldn't Shinichi base his read on what he thinks is indicative rather than be swayed by you, who are the one under examination? It's like the drug smuggler telling the border control which pockets to check... Yes, I did. We both think it's NAI so I said I agreed with him. I'm much more confident I can be town read by pretty much anything else I've done in the game. It is wierd how confident you are to be read as townie. Do you always think like this? Confidence is sexy imo. Just feels like you're spending more attention on making us think you're town that actually lynching scum. The only thing it's doing for me is making it harder for me to take your posts at face value because you probably spend time to review and set up every single post before making them. |
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| i had no time to read everything, sorry, i will be replaced because i'll have close to 0 time next week :/ what i say can be confusing i know, IRL is the same, i'm sorry, but my point is i did go with the train but voting someone that's going to be replaced would be the best call because no just it's safe, but that replacement could go to me :) (so the replacement person in question wouldn't be "hurt") i did get played in my eyes and do think what i said is true, last game we had 3 inactive persons, both of them played the same character both of them were the last scum... so yeah... i do think it would be the best option... have to go, sorry for the short post since yous seem to have many doubts of me but htis is the best i can do |
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wen294 said: LucianRoy said: Can't say i like your confidence though.Yes, I did. We both think it's NAI so I said I agreed with him. I'm much more confident I can be town read by pretty much anything else I've done in the game. Confidence is sexy imo. Just feels like you're spending more attention on making us think you're town that actually lynching scum. The only thing it's doing for me is making it harder for me to take your posts at face value because you probably spend time to review and set up every single post before making them. this is why im saying we need to lynch red salmon so that it will become a little more apparent that is lucian scum or not |
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wen294 said: Red_Salmon said: unvote (I thought I had unvoted my RVS. Mustve forgot about it) Halfway through my read from Page 3 onwards I had started suspecting Lucian as scum with how he had managed to get everyone's eyes off of him and onto LW just as a train had started to form on him. That too when the reason on voting on LW was weak. Plus being wary of people who have been town reading him calling it as white-knighting by scum is suspicious too. He seems overly aware of it. Rather uncomfortable by it. Normally one wouldn't even look too much into town reads. But nothing he says is specifically scummy. Then he asked people what they thought of the sleip vs his discussion, which is more towny. Was gonna vote on him but can't take chances right now. As for LW, he certainly did over react to the pressure. But not in the scummy way How this post comes across to me: "This is scummy and that is scummy too but nothing he says is scummy. I wanted to vote him but i'll not do that after all" Then you proceed not to commit by removing your vote... Like I said in the earlier defense posts above, I should've written more on why I was convinced on the town lean more. Should've written a bigger second para. It was supposed to be a narrative. and #361 was supposed to be an explanation of the narrative. Lucian asking others what they thought of his interaction with Sleip even though that was a story of 2 pages ago made me lean more towards town as they undermine the case I made reading him scum at first. Red_Salmon said: @LucianRoy I did come to a conclusion. I said you were towny in the second para. The first para says why I was considering you to be scum. And it was all coming down to town reads. Normally scum would be the only ones who wouldn't want other scum to be buddying up to them in front of town as that could be allignment indicative if 1 got lynched. Your reaction to when other people read you as town was based on that understanding of mine and hence felt off. Cuz townies wouldnt bother with town reads. Now Shinichi also told me that you do this often. So more leaning towards town now. Sorry but i can't see that as a conclusion at all. Literally all you said that could let us know that you town read him was the "which is more towny" which is still a super weak form of expressing your read. It's only on 1, very small point. And aside from that 'more towny' =/= towny. Overall just a very weak way to say it. And aside from that everything above it completly gave off the feeling that you were scumreading him. Also putting the part about me agreeing with it aside, if you thought this was off then it would be worth persuing no? Instead of just taking chad's word for it and leaving it at that. It's like you had a scumread and gave up on it because it wasn't really convenient to keep it or something. Well I guess my town lean was weak, but it was a town lean nonetheless. I'm of the opinion that a scum reveals himself scum more and more as he talks while a town reveals himself town as he talks more and more. Lucian will definitely be a lynch target D3. I'll have more stuff to build up a case on him. With how EoD was progressing my doubts rise. Albert senpai gave a good explanation of it at #480. He's always been giving deep stuff so far (hence I don't understand the train on him). The trail is still warm. |
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wen294 said: Red_Salmon said: Oe damn i almost voted you. Good thing you said that ._.Just wanted to let everyone know that the train on me has 7 votes right now, so the next one will certainly kill me, so think well before you vote (that's assuming the votes do not reset after EoD)(If the votes do reset then it's 4) I'm currently still backreading. @Ironace use the L-1 when you place the 7th vote dammit xD but i dont think so the votes from d1 count now.... |
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ironace said: wen294 said: Can't say i like your confidence though. Just feels like you're spending more attention on making us think you're town that actually lynching scum. The only thing it's doing for me is making it harder for me to take your posts at face value because you probably spend time to review and set up every single post before making them. this is why im saying we need to lynch red salmon so that it will become a little more apparent that is lucian scum or not If I die, there will be a total of 3 town deaths. Leaving us with 8 town and 4 scum. Sacrifices for D1 are okay (somewhat) but for D2 they get riskier. |
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ironace said: wen294 said: Oe damn i almost voted you. Good thing you said that ._. @Ironace use the L-1 when you place the 7th vote dammit xD but i dont think so the votes from d1 count now.... Better safe than sorry |
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Red_Salmon said: Hang on you got 3 votes now right?Just wanted to let everyone know that the train on me has 7 votes right now, so the next one will certainly kill me, so think well before you vote (that's assuming the votes do not reset after EoD)(If the votes do reset then it's 4) I'm currently still backreading. D2 isn't literally an extension of D1, the votes get reset. |
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ironace said: Calm down with the theories. ok so ..... So I have been thinking for a while, why was suzune specifically targeted?? Its safe to say that people like me and abu are easier pickings that can be rid of later in the game.Even inactives are easier targets for later game. From my pov, wouldnt lucian or gwen or even zymf be better targets?(I will just focus on lucian for now since he was the mos vocal) Was she onto something like gwen said? Ill backread a little and see her posts. But for now, I have a few theories, -suzune was onto something that may have been more important than it seemed and she was quite dangerous. -lucian himself is scum and is directing votes here and there. -or killing lucian would mean that he was onto something and salmon is indeed scum...it can also be the opposite, lucian is far away from the correct reading and the mafia are letting him do as he pleases as it will just hurt town. So for now I think we need a sacrifice. vote:red_salmon If he is indeed scum then the mafia just tried to save him by letting lucian go free. If he is not scum, then I dont mind lynching lucian the next day. As many have noticed, him doing the most work(and apparently doing the most work out of us) is also kinda bad for town. We ourselves arent using our heads as much as lucian is, because he's mostly thinking for us. Dunno why but i feel the game may be more ...dunno the right word...easy?...if lucian becomes less vocal or posts like zymf as then we all will HAVE to start to think for ourselves. Speculation about night kills will never be more than speculation. Only scum themselves know why they killed someone, and even they sometimes don't know. In cases like these the most common reason is 'Killing somebody that is tricky to get lynched but unlikely to be targetted by town power roles'. Honestly i can't recommend speculating over the night kill like this. The chance that you're right about is is probably lower than 1%. |
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wen294 said: Red_Salmon said: Hang on you got 3 votes now right?Just wanted to let everyone know that the train on me has 7 votes right now, so the next one will certainly kill me, so think well before you vote (that's assuming the votes do not reset after EoD)(If the votes do reset then it's 4) I'm currently still backreading. D2 isn't literally an extension of D1, the votes get reset. I'm not so sure about that. I've only played one game before this and it was quite a while ago. I guess @Grapefruit21 can explain. |
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| ho yeah you were annoyed because i did not do this.... Vote:Lucian i'm almost out of time, i'm rushing things so i can do this "little comments" (the 1º was huge bue yeah) Zymf, IRL problems, i'm sorry for what i said then, you did not explain it (i think) so, my bad on that part) i'll have some time later, i'll try to say as much as i can then, cya |
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Red_Salmon said: wen294 said: How this post comes across to me: "This is scummy and that is scummy too but nothing he says is scummy. I wanted to vote him but i'll not do that after all" Then you proceed not to commit by removing your vote... Like I said in the earlier defense posts above, I should've written more on why I was convinced on the town lean more. Should've written a bigger second para. It was supposed to be a narrative. and #361 was supposed to be an explanation of the narrative. Lucian asking others what they thought of his interaction with Sleip even though that was a story of 2 pages ago made me lean more towards town as they undermine the case I made reading him scum at first. Sorry but i can't see that as a conclusion at all. Literally all you said that could let us know that you town read him was the "which is more towny" which is still a super weak form of expressing your read. It's only on 1, very small point. And aside from that 'more towny' =/= towny. Overall just a very weak way to say it. And aside from that everything above it completly gave off the feeling that you were scumreading him. Also putting the part about me agreeing with it aside, if you thought this was off then it would be worth persuing no? Instead of just taking chad's word for it and leaving it at that. It's like you had a scumread and gave up on it because it wasn't really convenient to keep it or something. Well I guess my town lean was weak, but it was a town lean nonetheless. I'm of the opinion that a scum reveals himself scum more and more as he talks while a town reveals himself town as he talks more and more. Lucian will definitely be a lynch target D3. I'll have more stuff to build up a case on him. With how EoD was progressing my doubts rise. Albert senpai gave a good explanation of it at #480. He's always been giving deep stuff so far (hence I don't understand the train on him). The trail is still warm. You called it a town read instead of a town lean before. Reads ought to be stronger. And now you suddenly say that he's scum again. What the hell....? For now i'm itching to vote for you but the fact that i don't really feel comfortable with chad, abu and roy either and they all voted for you makes me uncomfortable with voting you. For now, Vote: AbuHeman |
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| ISO on @AbuHumaid D1: #65 "Oh shit it started" #70 "LucianRoy I'm on phone and not caught up, will get to you later" #122 "aight i'm here, so what's the beef?" Nothing telling so far #162 "it's not like I'm lurking on purpose..." But others say that hes not a newby and lurked a lot in his previous games. #167 says he has no reads. asks for my reads #175 generally agrees with most of the people. Doesn't really have his own opinions. Asked for explanation of my reads. #176 "when did i imply otherwise?" agrees that hes played many games before #335 "ouch, why so much hate?" in response to talk of his inactivity #409 "I think we should agree to lynch someone at least 9 hours before phase change" D2: #414 "damn" changes his vote to me. says nothing. Just lazy. #418 tries to defend his sheeping with "there's no better lynch now" #419 asks for explanation of L1 and L2 #423 Defends why he sheeped by saying that any lynch is a good lynch. Showing zero motivation to try to find a person he might think is scummy. I think he doesn't have any reads at all at this point either. #458 I gotta agree with LW here. He used the same words that he used. Generally speaking, imo, his actions don't really say that he's scummy. He just pops in at times, looks at a few posts on that page (and that page alone) says stuff and then leaves. The only thing we can say for sure is that he's lazy. If the reason for voting him is #414 then I must say that his sheep at 414 is nothing out of the ordinary. Hes just being lazy and going with the flow. |
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wen294 said: Red_Salmon said: Like I said in the earlier defense posts above, I should've written more on why I was convinced on the town lean more. Should've written a bigger second para. It was supposed to be a narrative. and #361 was supposed to be an explanation of the narrative. Lucian asking others what they thought of his interaction with Sleip even though that was a story of 2 pages ago made me lean more towards town as they undermine the case I made reading him scum at first. Well I guess my town lean was weak, but it was a town lean nonetheless. I'm of the opinion that a scum reveals himself scum more and more as he talks while a town reveals himself town as he talks more and more. Lucian will definitely be a lynch target D3. I'll have more stuff to build up a case on him. With how EoD was progressing my doubts rise. Albert senpai gave a good explanation of it at #480. He's always been giving deep stuff so far (hence I don't understand the train on him). The trail is still warm. You called it a town read instead of a town lean before. Reads ought to be stronger. And now you suddenly say that he's scum again. What the hell....? For now i'm itching to vote for you but the fact that i don't really feel comfortable with chad, abu and roy either and they all voted for you makes me uncomfortable with voting you. For now, Vote: AbuHeman Me still being skeptical of him despite thinking him town is nothing new. Like I said to Lucian himself in #371 "The chances of you powerwolfing are never zero >.> guys who play an active town game can easily go unnoticed in their scum games cuz of towniness" Btw, we now have almost 25 hours and 45 minutes left. |
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| Hi~ There has been quite some pages on day 1 already. I have a quick question: the votes on Salmon were just because we need to start somewhere or was there another reason? Seems like not much happened this day yet. Why do you ask about his townlean on Wisp but not about his lean on Lucian? AlbertinoDias said: i had no time to read everything, sorry, i will be replaced because i'll have close to 0 time next week :/ what i say can be confusing i know, IRL is the same, i'm sorry, but my point is i did go with the train but voting someone that's going to be replaced would be the best call because no just it's safe, but that replacement could go to me :) (so the replacement person in question wouldn't be "hurt") i did get played in my eyes and do think what i said is true, last game we had 3 inactive persons, both of them played the same character both of them were the last scum... so yeah... i do think it would be the best option... have to go, sorry for the short post since yous seem to have many doubts of me but htis is the best i can do But then you vote Lucian, who isn't inactive? If worse comes to worst, we could lynch you to get a replacement free. |
SuzakuTsubasaJul 30, 2017 5:21 AM
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SuzakuTsubasa said: Hi~ There has been quite some pages on day 1 already. I have a quick question: the votes on Salmon were just because we need to start somewhere or was there another reason? Seems like not much happened this day yet. Hi hi :) welcome aboard. The votes on me were on the basis of my apparent tonal shift from 354 to 361. You can hear Lucian talking about it at 462 and my defense to it at 554 onwards. True. The game's more active when im asleep :p at like 9-12 hours from now. |
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Red_Salmon said: Are we reading the same ISO?Generally speaking, imo, his actions don't really say that he's scummy. He just pops in at times, looks at a few posts on that page (and that page alone) says stuff and then leaves. The only thing we can say for sure is that he's lazy. If the reason for voting him is #414 then I must say that his sheep at 414 is nothing out of the ordinary. Hes just being lazy and going with the flow. If you think it's not scummy then tell me this: Where do you see scumhunting? Where do you see him expressing his own opinion? Where do you see him adding anything to the discussion? Where do you seem him putting pressure on somebody? Where do you see any motivation/drive to solve this game? Where did you see him do something to drive the gamestate forward? This game has been going on for 72 hours now and he has yet to do anything even remotely usefull for town. Wait a sec, let me rephrase that: He has yet to even ATTEMPT doing something usefull for town. Because voting for somebody for the sole reason of getting them lynched without caring about the results is not what i consider usefull for town. |
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SuzakuTsubasa said: Heey Tubacabra~Hi~ There has been quite some pages on day 1 already. I have a quick question: the votes on Salmon were just because we need to start somewhere or was there another reason? The votes on salmon were because his read on lucian was going all over the place and none of us were able to comprehend what the guy was doing basically. I'm still not sure if it's because he himself has no idea what he's doing or it's just a massive streak of extremely akward wording. I kinda feel like it's a mix of those 2. |
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| Okay just came to home starting backread from page 8 now. |
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lastwhisper31 said: Gwendolly said: I mean you gotta start from somewhere right? ...only that we should have already started on D1 But also call it womens intuition? :D. Lol, that can be a scary thing. Why would that be scary if you are town? (Dont answer I know that was probably fluff but its still worth pointing) |
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ironace said: ok so ..... So I have been thinking for a while, why was suzune specifically targeted?? Its safe to say that people like me and abu are easier pickings that can be rid of later in the game.Even inactives are easier targets for later game. From my pov, wouldnt lucian or gwen or even zymf be better targets?(I will just focus on lucian for now since he was the mos vocal) Was she onto something like gwen said? Ill backread a little and see her posts. But for now, I have a few theories, -suzune was onto something that may have been more important than it seemed and she was quite dangerous. -lucian himself is scum and is directing votes here and there. -or killing lucian would mean that he was onto something and salmon is indeed scum...it can also be the opposite, lucian is far away from the correct reading and the mafia are letting him do as he pleases as it will just hurt town. So for now I think we need a sacrifice. vote:red_salmon If he is indeed scum then the mafia just tried to save him by letting lucian go free. If he is not scum, then I dont mind lynching lucian the next day. As many have noticed, him doing the most work(and apparently doing the most work out of us) is also kinda bad for town. We ourselves arent using our heads as much as lucian is, because he's mostly thinking for us. Dunno why but i feel the game may be more ...dunno the right word...easy?...if lucian becomes less vocal or posts like zymf as then we all will HAVE to start to think for ourselves. Not really good to dwell into the why's of a kill most of the time, sometimes its just blantly obvious. I do know some players prefer to stay under the radar while others like to go for the big kahunas. In my horror game i've seen abu handle himself really well being one of the last town alive hes getting way better so no reason mafia would give him a free pass. Tbf Mafia should never give anyone a free pass haha. So why are Gwen| Zymf | Lucian Better Targets? Also we need to find scum not just use someone as a sacrifice to move the game forward >_> If salmon is scum in that situation you would have to weigh out to options. 1.Would the mafia risk killing the guy who pressured their buddy so hard or 2.They avoided killing that person to avoid anymore light being signed on salmon @lucianroy how often have you been night killed day 1? Also we are all capable of thinking for ourselves, its just players like lucian and I can be way more vocal XD. I can handle myself just as much as the next person. Btw are you implying town will lose if lucian dies? |
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ironace said: Also, forgot to ask this question to all you guys who have been mafia in previous games.. who is the ideal target to lynch? How does mafia decide to do this? Hmm? Mafia usually find a weak links in town so they can exploit him/her so they can get them lynched. |
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ironace said: ok so ..... So I have been thinking for a while, why was suzune specifically targeted?? Its safe to say that people like me and abu are easier pickings that can be rid of later in the game.Even inactives are easier targets for later game. From my pov, wouldnt lucian or gwen or even zymf be better targets?(I will just focus on lucian for now since he was the mos vocal) Was she onto something like gwen said? Ill backread a little and see her posts. But for now, I have a few theories, -suzune was onto something that may have been more important than it seemed and she was quite dangerous. -lucian himself is scum and is directing votes here and there. -or killing lucian would mean that he was onto something and salmon is indeed scum...it can also be the opposite, lucian is far away from the correct reading and the mafia are letting him do as he pleases as it will just hurt town. So for now I think we need a sacrifice. vote:red_salmon If he is indeed scum then the mafia just tried to save him by letting lucian go free. If he is not scum, then I dont mind lynching lucian the next day. As many have noticed, him doing the most work(and apparently doing the most work out of us) is also kinda bad for town. We ourselves arent using our heads as much as lucian is, because he's mostly thinking for us. Dunno why but i feel the game may be more ...dunno the right word...easy?...if lucian becomes less vocal or posts like zymf as then we all will HAVE to start to think for ourselves. Wait why did you mention Salmon as 'sacrifice' ? That wording would mean that in the subcouncios level you think salmon is town but you are voting him knowing he will turn town. Its almost like you are white knighting. Was that a possible scum slip anyone? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: ironace said: Also, forgot to ask this question to all you guys who have been mafia in previous games.. who is the ideal target to lynch? How does mafia decide to do this? Hmm? Mafia usually find a weak links in town so they can exploit him/her so they can get them lynched. In the pages before I read something like we were not gonna have 48 hour phases is that true if so how much time do we have left? |
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ironace said: Also, forgot to ask this question to all you guys who have been mafia in previous games.. who is the ideal target to lynch? How does mafia decide to do this? No one mafia doesnt decide to lycnh. You just let town decide a lynch while clearing yourself by giving bullshit reads. If town decides to lynch your teammate you just make your bullshit read scummier than your scum buddy so you save him without making it obvious. Anyway back to the topic mafia doesnt decide on a lynch town does. (At least thats how it was in my scum games) |
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aa-dono said: @Shinichi-Kun #78 - Honestly I don't get why this is weird. Lucy always gives information stuff. #86 - Aha, the irony. Feels like you're the one trying so hard to earn town respect. #229"Certainly Gwennies townes is showing in some posts, but def not in a post that could be from either alignment." And which post is that? Ill go find the specific post later. Better that than me being lynched for being the complete opposite lol don't you think. Plus ever since kiznaiveer I've been pissed off and seeing mafia win like that has made me want to destroy mafia this game. It's the way he phrased that bolded statement, unlike suzune who you could tell had a town vibe within her helpful statements. Something just seemed off like he had an ulterior motive. |
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Sleipnirr said: Pretty much an entire day. Not sure about the exact time, maybe 21 hours or so.so whats the timer on day 2? How many hours do we have left? |
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| Unvote:Red Is his vote count at 7? Im confused cause I saw no L2 or L1. @grapefruit21 Creator-sama where is our vote count |
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Red_Salmon said: Just wanted to let everyone know that the train on me has 7 votes right now, so the next one will certainly kill me, so think well before you vote (that's assuming the votes do not reset after EoD)(If the votes do reset then it's 4) I'm currently still backreading. oh i sohuld have read this first lol, why would votes carry over Vote:red Had me worried for no reason smh >_> |
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wen294 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Soft abu defence?Not really a sheep lol he did start off the phase by voting first, and salmon was also the hot topic of the last phase so it should not be considered strange. That vote was most definetly a sheep. He gave zero reasoning of why he agreed with it, what he thought was strange, other alternatives. He just said NOTHING noteworthy and then voted the person that had the biggest train D1. If that's not sheeping then i don't know what is. Ok fair enough, my thought process was just him continuing to vote the hot topic from the previous day so unlike lucian who saw it as strange I did not. |
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wen294 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Because last day we only had some hours left. Now we have an entire new day phase again so just instantly locking the votes on salmon is pretty much the most wastefull way we can spend this time.It's not a defense of abu tho, I just thought the vote made sense. I mean last phase it seemed people just wanted a lynch so why now are you questioning that vote. Ill go pull some posts out of the thread. I wouldn't let that happen anyways, sure I want a lynch but I wont throw away an entire day. |
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Red_Salmon said: Shinichi-Kun said: Hmm even if that was a hosts mistake if I am held accountable for my forgetfulness even you should be. On day 1 its hard to form a powerful case, if this was a normal setup you would have been lynched. Also it depends on the flip flop, if you read someone as town but then scum read them in the next post people are gonna start asking questions. Sure its possible they're scum but 2 of them are known to lurk and the other said she might not be able to make the post count. There was no sudden change in opinion from 354 to 361. If you look at the posts from a neutral stand point you'll see it. It's not like I said "Lucian is def scum" in 354 and said "Lucian, my friend, is def town" in 361. As I explained in 554, the former of the two posts tells a narrative. I was just explaining a example of flip flopping. Also the 2nd statement seems so overaly faked why? |
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LucianRoy said: Zymf said: Quick reads list based on D1: Town: Gwendolly and Red_Salmon Good feeling: Shinichi-kun, wen294 Neutral: LucianRoy, lastwhisper31 Scum: AlbertinoDias, Haven't paid attention to (null): aa-dono, ironace, Togs, AbuHumaid, Sleipnirr, The_Pyromaani Ahh yes, the classic neutral read on me. After you analyzed so many of my posts. --- Believe it or not, I'm still ok with lynching Salmon. Vote: Red Salmon smh lmfao |
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wen294 said: Zymf said: Imho soft claims like those are scummy.If I may add to it as well? I find it slightly scummy, as it would appear he might be breadcrumbing for a later fakeclaim. If he was VT, why did he think his claim would be enough to clear him? If he was actual town PR, why would he put himself on the stand like that with noting to gain? Possible scenarios: You are actually a PR: Town won't be able to clear you because they can't counterclaim, you will put a marker on your back for scum anyway. You are VT: 2 possibilities here, 1 of which is good. You survive lynch and you get shot by mafia, meaning you eat scum night actions for the team. Or, you are forced to claim specifically, you either tell that you were lying and most likely get lynched or you claim specifically and risk getting counterclaimed, which ends up in us outing a PR and you getting lynched for fake-claiming. Last: You are scum that wants to avoid the lynch by soft claiming so as to not risk getting counterclaimed. For town in close to all cases it's bad... Idk im sure I could grab scenarios like this from other games where the person was town, just trying to get votes off of them. Outside of that though people who soft claim pr are pretty scummy. |
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Red_Salmon said: ironace said: this is why im saying we need to lynch red salmon so that it will become a little more apparent that is lucian scum or not If I die, there will be a total of 3 town deaths. Leaving us with 8 town and 4 scum. Sacrifices for D1 are okay (somewhat) but for D2 they get riskier. We can't know that for sure. |
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Red_Salmon said: With AbuHumaid not being a lynch-target for me, I'll be looking into Shinichi now. He is like this every game thats the point though when do we perceive it as scum tell, I mean both alignments can lurk. I feel like its getting to the point where hes just using as a way to get attention away from him, since he normally just gets ignored when he lurks. Honestly thought Abu just seems like an easy target for mafia to pick on. On a serious note ISO me if you think I am scum. |
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wen294 said: Red_Salmon said: Are we reading the same ISO?Generally speaking, imo, his actions don't really say that he's scummy. He just pops in at times, looks at a few posts on that page (and that page alone) says stuff and then leaves. The only thing we can say for sure is that he's lazy. If the reason for voting him is #414 then I must say that his sheep at 414 is nothing out of the ordinary. Hes just being lazy and going with the flow. If you think it's not scummy then tell me this: Where do you see scumhunting? Where do you see him expressing his own opinion? Where do you see him adding anything to the discussion? Where do you seem him putting pressure on somebody? Where do you see any motivation/drive to solve this game? Where did you see him do something to drive the gamestate forward? This game has been going on for 72 hours now and he has yet to do anything even remotely usefull for town. Wait a sec, let me rephrase that: He has yet to even ATTEMPT doing something usefull for town. Because voting for somebody for the sole reason of getting them lynched without caring about the results is not what i consider usefull for town. The observations here are scary, if this is coming from scum I prob wouldn't believe it. This post alone gives me huge town vites. Also gives me good insight on what kind of questions to look for when finding scum intent. |
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Sleipnirr said: Why would that be scary if you are town? (Dont answer I know that was probably fluff but its still worth pointing) Asking a question, but saying don't answer.... Also prettu sure that was an reference to real life situations lmfao. |
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