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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- This episode really reminded me of Trigun Trigun spoiler: Also, I was surprised that it was Wim's father who shot Johan, but what really surprised me was that Tenma will save Johan again =S Mod Edit: Added spoiler tags; please hide plot details. Not everyone in this thread has seen Trigun. |
LunaJan 27, 2015 2:37 AM
| Irony. |
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| Now now OP don't spoil Trigun. ;( Ah well nice ep. I'm happy detective Lurch survived. |
| i was really surprised that tenma wasn't the shooter |
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| Wow, talk about an epic episode. |
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| What ever did Wim's father see just before shooting him? |
 Bari bari, gusha gusha, baki baki, gokun |
| That was just Art. The seven heads thing is from the intro I think...like the description of the "Monster." |
| ^Seconded.I love it how Tenma decided to save him again. |
| I was on the edge of my seat the whole time .. amazing anime. Didn't see that coming, when Wim's dad shot Johan. Simply a well planned out story .. one more episode to finish everything but i'm sure they'll do a job =] |
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| So Tenma ends up having not killed anyone, and only someone who saves lives. |
| Oooohhh, the irony... |
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| If I could rate this episode higher than 5, I would. It was perfection; anime perfection. robosapien said: That was just Art. The seven heads thing is from the intro I think...like the description of the "Monster." The seven heads beast is an excerpt from the bible. It symbolises the anti-christ and empowerment from Satan. Hence, Johan represents pure evil. |
Zell182Aug 15, 2009 12:47 PM
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| If there is a word beyond 'Epic' please... someone rank this series as it. |
Mikiyo said: If there is a word beyond 'Epic' please... someone rank this series as it. YES. |
| perfect! but i couldnt get why Nina forgives him? and what is that 'memory' thing?? did they explain or did i just miss it? |
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| Whoa, did Tenma and Mamiko Noto just run through all these episodes without killing anyone? I'm so proud of Mamiko Noto. <3 |
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| That was crazy. I still wish it was Tenma who shot him though. |
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| Epic.. I was relieved that Wim's father was the shooter and not Tenma.. Tenma is not really suited to hold a gun coz he ended up in just staring his target.. :D Except for Roberto's case.. His hands are for saving not for killing.. Thank God, Lunge is alive.. Well, looks like Tenma is going to revive again the monst -- *Goes back to watch the last ep* |
| I'm surprised there wasn't more backlash from this episode. I figured more people would be like "omg, I would you save him. He's pure evil lol.." I'm glad most of the people on these forums realize the message. Life is equal no matter who it is. Sure, it leaves a partially bad taste in my mouth that Johann may live when he is responsible for killing all these people. But, it is never anybody's right to end a life. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| o wow so tenma in the end did not shoot, how profound, the kids dad did him a favor to bad he was taken in, funny how tenma is going to work on johan now, looks like runge survived awesome now he could clear everything up and make things make more sense since he is a actual officer and a detective |
 Behold of my awesomeness~ controversial and/or sensitive topics likely devolve into the same repetitive, derogatory, abusive, and harassing comments can no longer be posted. But my feels. |
| I have a feeling Tenma was really, really about to shoot him! Now when i think about it, i am absolutely sure he was going to pull the triger. But Wim's dad was first xD. |
| what the hell, that was so anti-climatic after all that buildup. |
| What a twist. |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
| HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! I KNEW TENMA COULDN'T SHOOT...HE COULD NEVER AND NEVER WILL BE ABLE TO SHOOT...STOP EVEN TRYING!!!....even if no one interrupted him, he would've just stood there in the same pose going AHHHHHHHH IM GOING SHOOT (NOT REALLY!!!)... I love how the one to shoot Johan was actually some minor character who was barely introduced...proves Tenma's absolute uselessness as a main character or a charcter in general...and dammit Roberto just die...gaaaaahhhh AND THE HELL IS WITH EVERY ONE JUST FORGIVING JOHAN!!!!....ohhhh he had a sad past so its totally okay that he mass murdered who knows how many of innocent people, pushed who knows how many other people to suicide, and just plain out fucked up peoples lives...but nooo he gets forgiven, and SAVED...AGAIN...i know he's needed for information but still, Tenma needs to stop acting....the whole series, "I'm going to end it all!!" no...no your not...your going to follow him around at his pace, be slightly useful,irritate me, make stupid decisions, irritate me, be slightly less useful, irritate me, disappear, lecture people, and finally just become extremely useless, oh did i mention, irritate me?? The whole episode I was like "I KNEW HE COULDN'T SHOOT, ARE YOU SERIOUS, I HATE EVERYTHING!!!"...no....just no!!!...at least I have Runge finally not upsetting me To make things clear, I'm not pissed because Tenma didn't shoot, I understand if he thinks every life is equal and wants to go around saving them. I'm pissed because the whole anime, he's chasing Johan around, being a hypocrite, acting like he's actually going to do something. It was all this build up, where absolutely nothing happened...thus I am dissapoint. |
SickeninglySweetJun 30, 2011 1:07 AM
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| No freaking way. This show is a total 11/10 |
| Why was Roberto denied to view the Final Scene? |
 That's some signature, eh? |
PnkRxPrncss said: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! I KNEW TENMA COULDN'T SHOOT...HE COULD NEVER AND NEVER WILL BE ABLE TO SHOOT...STOP EVEN TRYING!!!....even if no one interrupted him, he would've just stood there in the same pose going AHHHHHHHH IM GOING SHOOT (NOT REALLY!!!)... I love how the one to shoot Johan was actually some minor character who was barely introduced...proves Tenma's absolute uselessness as a main character or a charcter in general...and dammit Roberto just die...gaaaaahhhh AND THE HELL IS WITH EVERY ONE JUST FORGIVING JOHAN!!!!....ohhhh he had a sad past so its totally okay that he mass murdered who knows how many of innocent people, pushed who knows how many other people to suicide, and just plain out fucked up peoples lives...but nooo he gets forgiven, and SAVED...AGAIN...i know he's needed for information but still, Tenma needs to stop acting....the whole series, "I'm going to end it all!!" no...no your not...your going to follow him around at his pace, be slightly useful,irritate me, make stupid decisions, irritate me, be slightly less useful, irritate me, disappear, lecture people, and finally just become extremely useless, oh did i mention, irritate me?? The whole episode I was like "I KNEW HE COULDN'T SHOOT, ARE YOU SERIOUS, I HATE EVERYTHING!!!"...no....just no!!!...at least I have Runge finally not upsetting me To make things clear, I'm not pissed because Tenma didn't shoot, I understand if he thinks every life is equal and wants to go around saving them. I'm pissed because the whole anime, he's chasing Johan around, being a hypocrite, acting like he's actually going to do something. It was all this build up, where absolutely nothing happened...thus I am dissapoint. That's true, but Tenma would've, also, been a hypocrite if he shot Johan. Morals, oh, morals where art thou? Why art thou abandoning me and making me look like a wretched fool? Plus, Nina forgave Johan because let's face it shit's hit the fan so hard she almost never forgave him. And if she never forgave him, his blood would be on her hands. However, in Johan's perspective it is completely normal and acceptable to be insane in a world like ours (when very little is fair or free), but even he seemed to want some kind of acknowledgment from Nina. I thought it was okay for Nina to say she forgave him. It wouldn't really be okay if it was anybody else, however, I think they both needed acknowledgment from their real mother. IF their mother had acknowledged them both, Nina would've possibly been able to forgive Johan sooner. Mixon said: Why was Roberto denied to view the Final Scene? Roberto didn't kill enough people, obviously, that's why. *Shrug* I don't know. |
| it waould be so hard to forgive him............ |
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| my oh my, was at the edge of my seat the whole time! hmm hope the last ep wraps it up nicely ^^ |
| good guy tenma :) |
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| Well it was decent, not that interesting. |
| I don't even know what to think. First we get 70+ episodes of Tenma chasing some psycho, wishing to kill him, and at the end not only he can't shoot him but even performs surgery on him again! Heck, can't stand such type of dramatic characters. >< And what score i'm supposed to give this anime now? Most episodes were good, some even epic, but this one alone makes me want to rate it a 1. |
| Incredible. I'm speechless. The irony of it all, Tenma saving Johan again. Tenma is a healer, not a killer. What an episode. Amazing stuff. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
Mixon said: Why was Roberto denied to view the Final Scene? From what we've been told, Johan has only allowed General Wolf and Tenma to see the final scene. The main thing those two have in common is that they both saved Johan when he was on the brink of death. Maybe allowing the two of them to see the final scene is his twisted way of repaying them. |
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| No it kind of makes sense why Tenma is going to save Johann, It was more a story of looking deeply into how a monster was created. The very end shows that 1 single event was the difference between being a monster and not being a monster when Nina remembers Poppe telling her not to become a monster. You take two identical twins and get two completely different outcomes from just one phrase. Also the bit about Dr. Tenma saving Johann again is really just to play in to his character, he will always do what is right, it shows that he still deep down believes that all lives are equal. If he didn't do this Tenma would instead be some panzy that can't even stay true to his convictions. |
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| In the end Tenma really is meant to save lives, not end them. |
Pirating_Ninja said: No it kind of makes sense why Tenma is going to save Johann, It was more a story of looking deeply into how a monster was created. The very end shows that 1 single event was the difference between being a monster and not being a monster when Nina remembers Poppe telling her not to become a monster. You take two identical twins and get two completely different outcomes from just one phrase. Also the bit about Dr. Tenma saving Johann again is really just to play in to his character, he will always do what is right, it shows that he still deep down believes that all lives are equal. If he didn't do this Tenma would instead be some panzy that can't even stay true to his convictions. Pretty much my sentiments. I was really glad Tenma didn't pull the trigger because it would have ruined everything he had grown to stand for. |
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| Touching Episode :( So Johan appeared Tenma and tried to still convience him to eliminate him. But when he was just about eliminate Win's father saved whole situation. It was weird to see Robeto could walk after from those wounds he got from the Lunge. But still he just collapsed to ground. Also it was sad Bonaparta was eliminated too. And that was great Nina rushed to scene before Tenma could do anything stupid. It was really sad moments when officers came and asked about it eveyone was just staying quiet and feeling miserable. And Wim tried to tell officers that hos father was just try to protect him. But in the end the show's start is going to remake scene here. What I mean that Tenma still want's to help Johan. I wonder if Johan can become good human anymore it's going to decide final episode. 5/5 |
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| And in the end..Johan is still an evil bastard bend on becoming the last man standing on Earth..the final scene seems to reflect on the scenes from the beginning of the series. Well, time to see how it goes towards the finale~ |
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| Second time he survived shot in the head? Bullshit. |
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| We're back at square one. I'm not sure I could call this episode "epic", but that sequence where it looked like Tenma had shot Johan and it was actually the drunkard, was brilliantly directed. Also glad that Lunge made it and Roberto died. |
AlexSadist-sama said: Well it was decent, not that interesting. Unfortunately im going to have to second this. |
| Is Johan immortal? Or maybe his head is empty. Anyway that was an epic episode. I'm glad that Runge is alive and Roberto is dead. |
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| Yeah, irony in the end. And great dilemma for Tenma. His choice to save Wim's father from jail and preserve his peaceful childhood was right. Great episode for even greater anime. Conclusion is coming. And now for ressurrection of monster, take two. isobel said: but i couldnt get why Nina forgives him? he is still her brother, no matter what. |
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